Reevaluating The Little Mermaid before Disney horks up another live action remake

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Yes, we meant Joan Crawford, not Collins. Dunno how that happened.

2:59 part 2: something, somthing feminism
7:50 part feminism something.5: Ariel's voice
9:49 part feminism.something something: Ariel's character arc
11:31 part four: True Love (TM)
15:08 Part something: character arcs
20:41 number 6: Adaptation & the Gays
25:06 part something: The disney version is gay AF, too! (just, you know, not in the same way)


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  • I'm 31:40 into this video and I'm STILL waiting for "🎵See how I glitter!🎶" Lindsay! When will I be satisfied from "Lindsay's Favorite Gags"? Lol. Though, I did get great satisfaction from Hunchback twice.

    unigeniusunigeniusСаат мурун
  • "See mermaids, like the Danish themselves, don't have souls" Jesus Christ, that took me by surprise. Well played, Lindsay.

    Robert Koch 1877Robert Koch 18773 саат мурун
  • That buzzfeed video reappearing all throughout the video felt like running an obstacle course and getting progressively more exhausted each time

    GuySaysThingsGuySaysThings4 саат мурун
  • Excellent take on this! Great video!

    Peace, Love and GunsPeace, Love and Guns7 саат мурун
  • I always took those hot takes in the same spirit as noticing those scantily clad mind-controlled slaves in 80s GI Joe. Or laughing at Princess Peach using anime tropes to battle through her enemies. It always weirded me out seeing people assert their personal takes as The One True Opinion.

    Elle SeaElle Sea15 саат мурун
  • Stanning Ursula since 89 oh yeah

    ColorfulVoidColorfulVoid23 саат мурун
  • As a child I love Disney take on fairy tales & that lead me reading the stories they came from then looking up where they came from & how they changed over time. I started searching out modern retelling of fairy tales, myths, & legends. Then looking up all kinds of academic books & paper about fairy tales. I have a big love of fairy tales, myths, legends and because of that love I love Disney for introducing me to my love. Well 2010 was in the middle of my time at uni. I got a lot of flack from anti princess ‘feminist’ about my interest in it and when I would bring out many facts you stated, even offering them information I have learn over time they blew it off. I was told a lot how I had brain wash, boy crazy, weak and lots of personal attacks about how I wasn’t as strong & smart as them. Even professors would criticise me. I only really had one professor actually talk to me & listen/absorb my points but it was also a paper about how fairy tales evolve to reflect that period in time.

    Lily MustangLily MustangКүн мурун
  • THANK you

    bmas44bmas44Күн мурун
  • Humbled by your brilliance ⚡️🥂

    Rob SullivanRob SullivanКүн мурун
  • 4:08 Oh my god when's the last time she actually watched a disney movie

    ScarabDScarabD2 күн мурун
    • Well to be fair, in the world of media analysis, "only twice" translates to "usually"... ... meaning no, I'm not being fair, she's wrong and I hate it!

      Christian SchmudeChristian SchmudeКүн мурун
  • The beginning of the movie is the bustle and excitement of a big musical concert that Ariel is the star of, but then *gasp* she's not there. She's doing her own thing instead. So giving up her voice could mean giving up on what her mermaid society values in her and sees as her success, but is not important to her.

    Grutar GGrutar G2 күн мурун
  • what the danish ever do to u lindsay

    Jonathan McGahaJonathan McGaha2 күн мурун
  • I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, and I understand why they are making changes. I agree with their reasons. But I will forever be sad that Ariel isn't going to be a red head in the live action movie. As a red head myself, Ariel was the only Disney princess that looked like me, when I was a kid. I've watched Brave with my daughter who also has curly red hair, but it doesn't resonate with us as much as the Little Mermaid. The remake isn't high on my list to watch. I hope it does well. I'm sure it will be important to a lot of young people.

    Woot MamaWoot Mama3 күн мурун
  • I come back regularly to this video, the idea that the ""feminist"" reading of The little mermaid is extremely cisheteronormative is really telling tbh, I've never notice how most of these discourses are framed in a way that they talk about them as if only cis women can and NEED to find relatable

    batreiisbatreiis3 күн мурун
  • Joan CRAWFORD, not Collins 26:50

    Michael RMichael R3 күн мурун
  • ....sadness? Welp, I'm sold on that book

    Vexed ForestVexed Forest3 күн мурун
  • Disney princesses are full of clichés, and implying there is some deeper meaning when the target audience will not likely notice this deeper meaning is just as bad as implying that they are the reason for the gender pay gap. Disney princesses (and princes/lovers!) suck, and the older ones especially. While the progress is mostly superficial, the older ones weren't better. They DO imply certain social constructs, just as the usage of language does, and it will affect the way people think. Also "we don't know when it [the marriage] happened" (paraphrased), is also kinda disingenuous, because the way the movie is structured just implies to the audience it happened pretty fast. I don't think the target audience is gonna be like "hmm, well, we don't know how fast it happened".

    GlibberGlibber3 күн мурун
  • Ok, Queen, ima let u finish but...I’m still waiting for you to snatch our wigs and the wigs of the church by making a video about Prince of Egypt. #ControversialYetBrave

    jcraggett12jcraggett123 күн мурун
  • Great video Lindsay! I think Ariel's story was a missed point and I loved the part when her father begins to question himself and tries to help his daughter (losing his powers and being turned into an eel) By a missed point I mean - does anyone remembers Alice Through The Looking Glass when at the end she goes off to travel the world and to learn? - they could have done something similar. Ariel wants to have legs, Ariel wants to experience human experiences and collect vintage nick snacks and other stuff. Hey! Send her off into the sunset with the Prince to travel the world. Ariel's sequel could have been their wedding after three or four years and learn something new about the Prince, his family and Ariel's family too. But no, we get something else Ariel's daughter... Although I can't complain, we got to hear Part Of Your World by Alan Menken and Howard Ashman.

    Chrystal Bess ReddingChrystal Bess Redding3 күн мурун
  • oh god???? women becoming nurses?!??! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO also i really loved hearing your take on the story bc tbh it’s never been my fave disney movie but now i want to watch it again to experiencing it through that perspective

    saj dasaj da3 күн мурун
  • 5:56 Our girl here spitting FACTS

    Francesco GulisanoFrancesco Gulisano4 күн мурун
  • 12:20 LMAOOOO

    Clara AzadeganClara Azadegan4 күн мурун
  • A really fascinating look into this whole construction that Disney does with their properties and how people seemingly.....justify it? I'm none of the target demos being a white middle aged straight guy, but sometimes the reads to give the characters empowerment out of their narratives or give them a coding feel like an apologist stance. 'Yes, they're doing the hetero normative thing, but look! See this coding over here?' Whereas my stance has been for a while that Disney markets and regurgitates nostalgia endessly and repackages it now and then to make the most cosmetic overture that they're socially relevant. Which they have been, but only by accident. And thank you for bringing up the Hans Christen Andersen origin, which I think is often overlooked or frankly forgotten by modern audiences that only know the story at all because Disney packaged it *just so*. On a personal note, I'm very happy to see you back and making content on your terms and at least finding a way forward, in whatever way forward is defined for you. As the aforementioned straight white middle aged guy, I can say viewpoints and critical viewing such as yours prevents me from becoming a endorphine hit seeking Twitter user.

    Solas67Solas674 күн мурун
  • Yay she said her catch phrase

    Juanito SnowJuanito Snow4 күн мурун
  • So glad you're back! Thank you for this - really interesting :)

    Sophie WalsheSophie Walshe4 күн мурун
  • I think I caught a little Stefon reference in the self promo segment

    Brynne HuBrynne Hu4 күн мурун
  • i liked disney princesses when i was little, and im going to college to be a scientist so :/

    Delta JäegerDelta Jäeger5 күн мурун
  • What a great video. I hope Lindsay is doing well.

    Janusniq _Janusniq _5 күн мурун
  • ABSOLUTELY LOVE that point bout the marriage thingy! Most assume that it happened immediately after the movie's climax, truth is we don't know WHEN it actually happened (6 months after? a year after?).

    Yoel JeremyYoel Jeremy5 күн мурун
  • "like the Danish them selfs" lol

    Mr PetersonMr Peterson5 күн мурун
  • What production are the clips at the end from?

    Tamar HarringtonTamar Harrington5 күн мурун
  • Yes! I hate when feminine traits are seen as “inferior”! Feminine traits are an important part of the human experience, equally important to the masculine experience. Jobs that attract more women should also be paid well.

    Nexcion153Nexcion1536 күн мурун
  • Always excited to see new content on your channel Lindsay! Loved hearing about the history behind "Poor Unfortunate Souls" and learning about the original Hans Christian Anderson story which I'd never heard before. I'm sorry if things are still rough for you. My goal is to get your first book read before your second book comes out.

    C DC D6 күн мурун
  • I pressed like the moment you said you can't get on the frozen train

    Blash BlasghBlash Blasgh6 күн мурун
  • "You know, my last captain of the guard was a... bit of a disappointment to me." Put into that context, that's hilarious. Edit: what he said immediately after is also hilarious in that context: "Well, No matter. I'm sure you'll... whip my men into shape."

    I_boole 663I_boole 6636 күн мурун
  • Disney Princesses weren't very good role models for feminism. Except Belle. Belle is our queen. We love her. We worship her. We want much more than our provincial lives. Edit: you also can't really expect little girls who watch these movies to be feminists. I definitely wasn't a feminist as a toddler. Beauty and the Beast is still my favorite Disney movie.

    Sally Pumpkin Toy CollectionSally Pumpkin Toy Collection6 күн мурун
  • "You got engaged to a man you just met that day?" Proceeds to fall in love with her immediately Like ok marriage isn't the end all for everything Frozen

    fullrewritefullrewrite6 күн мурун
  • Glad you decided to keep making videos! The internet is designed to eat its children. Don't take it personally.

    portalomusportalomus6 күн мурун
  • 23:04 I did wonder about that statement in the earlier version of this video XD

    EirHolEirHol6 күн мурун
  • OMG LMAO WHAT WAS THAT BRAZILIAN SECTION AND MEME LMAOOOO I AM DYING KKKKK

    Anna Beatriz ZimmermannAnna Beatriz Zimmermann6 күн мурун
  • 21:10 Had not realized Lindsay Ellis was Swedish until now

    Fredrik BermhedFredrik Bermhed6 күн мурун
  • we need a cruella video pls

    bijoubijou6 күн мурун
  • Thank you for the thought provoking video. I always did like Ursula

    all humans are just human.all humans are just human.6 күн мурун
  • Okay but where are the clips of the non-Disney version of the little mermaid from cause the animation art is gorgeous

    Rebecca ClarkRebecca Clark7 күн мурун
  • I need you to talk about Ratigan for an hour at least

    NatNat7 күн мурун
  • omg!! you've used some clips from soviet animated film of The Little Mermaid!!! i grew up with this film, love it so much 😭😭

    Ann DeadAnn Dead7 күн мурун
  • As a Dane, I can confirm; yes, we do turn into seafoam. Very true.

    Anna ChristensenAnna Christensen7 күн мурун
  • I'm sorry that I didn't say this first time I watched your video - Thank you. I'm glad that you did this, that you talked about that Princess Discourse. I saw part of it in late 2000's and I thought "How can I possibly change their mind, they are wrong" and never had the courage and right words to speak up for my favourite princesses. At some point they almost made me believe in what they were saying... At that point I stopped listen to what they said, stopped watch those "memes" that they made and thought alone about that. I still consider that they are wrong, and thank you for formulating things on themes that bothered me and sometimes still bother!

    Алина РахимоваАлина Рахимова7 күн мурун
  • "It was all Ashman?" "Always has been..." - Sideways probably

    Carter BurgessCarter Burgess7 күн мурун
  • So can anybody tell me what the hell that awful princess music video she keeps cutting to is from? I thought it was from buzzfeed but I can't find it ANYWHERE and I wish to view the cringe

    Jesse ColtonJesse Colton8 күн мурун
  • I agree the great mouse dectective is soo good :)

    TheLibrarianofAlexandriaTheLibrarianofAlexandria8 күн мурун
  • I was watching your interview on The Financial Diet and ya'll talked about nerding a social media savvy therapist in LA. I recommend looking into Dr Scott Musgrove. He is a therapist in LA and has his own podcast called LA Not So Confidential. I'm sure he's dealt with unpleasant feedback on social media and can relate to this weird phenomenon. I'm not a client of his, just a close friend of his from college. He's also just a delightful person. So thought I'd suggest him :)

    Noelle DempseyNoelle Dempsey8 күн мурун
  • Over a month late to the party on this one, and I'm sure it's already mentioned down the comments, but Sleeping beauty has the same Character Growth issue that Little Mermaid has. It's even more stark actually. Aurora is ALSO not the character driving the plot. So much so that she can't even be called the protagonist. It's the 3 Fairies that are the Protagonists and face conflict. Heck, Aurora doesn't even per se' want to get married. She'd just like to meet people, a dude in particular. Aurora is a MacGuffin if anything.

    John EilersJohn Eilers8 күн мурун
  • Hey don't knock the good faeries? They basically planned and instigated a jail break and magicked a sword into a giant fucking dragon. And managed to raise a child together. They're pretty boss

    MarionParoo TooMarionParoo Too8 күн мурун
  • Honestly I think the weirdest thing I learned from this is that there was not only a knock-off little mermaid, but that it had characters inspired" by a 70's anime movie???

    pianoguy222pianoguy2228 күн мурун
  • Have you seen Kevin can Fuck Himself, and are you gonna do a video on it? Because it's amazeballs and also I wanna hear what you think.

    Lorraine FitzmauriceLorraine Fitzmaurice9 күн мурун
  • The Two Thousands have another…I don’t know…78 years to go. It’s true we need to think of a name for the first decade of this century. A hundred years ago it was the Oughts or the Naughts, which I know sound archaic now. The Ohs, perhaps? The Zeros? What is the second decade, in fact, the Tens, the Teens. And I won’t even bring up how people celebrated the turn of the century a year early, since there are 2,000 years in 2,000 years and 1,999.

    Louise RichardsonLouise Richardson9 күн мурун
  • im not proud of it, but no wonder i went through an anti feminist transphobic phase in 2015 (i'm trans mtf i was closeted)

    NatalieNatalie9 күн мурун
  • 21:02 what movie is that?

    Eybel 3rdEybel 3rd9 күн мурун
  • I read the Hans Christian Anderson version as a child and I wanted the little mermaid to kill the prince so bad and was so disappointed when she didn't.

    Atiqah DiyanaAtiqah Diyana9 күн мурун
  • Danes have no souls? Ouch, that hurts :(

    AureliaAurelia9 күн мурун
  • My favorite character in the whole film without a doubt is Usula. I loved every minute of watching her.

    Sam KresilSam Kresil9 күн мурун
  • I have always found it very poignant that the last line in the movie is "I love you, Daddy." People who reduce this movie to just Ariel falling for Eric are extremely obtuse, and probably haven't seen it since their childhood.

    JenJen9 күн мурун
  • Omg I’m so happy, the whole “giving up her voice for a man” critique has been a massive pet peeve of mine for so long

    Natalie ThiessenNatalie Thiessen9 күн мурун
  • So wait you’re telling us at ten minutes in that Ariel is a gamer with a KGfilm channel filmed in a cave!

    Unkl Paulie MUnkl Paulie M9 күн мурун
  • This was an excellent analysis! I'm really happy to see you re-evaluate this movie, as well as the whole "Disney princesses are anti-feminist" discourse of the early 2010s.

    Owella FehrOwella Fehr9 күн мурун
  • @lindsayellis Say, maybe I was living under a rock that was under another bigger rock, but I am looking at a few movies from over the last 20 years and it seems like all the evil genius billionaires look like Steve Jobs in movies. I mean, we are short on evil geniuses, but not evil billionaires. Why does Lex Luthor in Man of Steel look like a berkley kid and not..........well, the Koch brothers, Bezos, or Donald Trump?

    butchdeadlift10butchdeadlift109 күн мурун
  • Glad to see another video on here! Wish I had checked back sooner! I know the TV Tropes site has a name for the type of feminism we saw in the 2000s: "Real Women Don't Wear Dresses." Stories like that deride ANYTHING seen as traditionally feminine while praising women who behave in a more masculine manner. The "Real Women Don't Wear Dresses" page even says outright that it isn't hard to spot the "unfortunate implications" (in this case misogyny) that runs through works with this trope. Nothing wrong with works containing tomboys & all, but demanding that girls try to fit a more "masculine" mold to function in our society can be just as bad as pushing "traditional" feminine values. There's SOME gray area between both ideas here.

    Average JoeAverage Joe9 күн мурун
  • Everything with Ursula has come delightfully even more full circle with drag performers like Frankie Doom making amazing Ursula-inspired pieces. (Check out Dragula srs)

    Ria CRia C10 күн мурун
  • Get what coming to ya product s you like are being fucked with

    Ffs NoFfs No10 күн мурун
  • I can't believe you used the Sandra Anemberg meme! My brazilian heart pounds...

    Camila MonteiroCamila Monteiro11 күн мурун
  • "disney princesses are making our daughters into barefoot preggo kitchen-bound non-girlbosses" has the same but opposite energy as "metal music/horror movies/video games are making our kids violent"

    Romantic OutlawRomantic Outlaw11 күн мурун
  • Then Raya and The Last Dragon decided that they wouldn't even have a love interest ( we all know that it's an enemies to lovers story, I should stop lying to myself.)

    Sophie GathercoleSophie Gathercole11 күн мурун
  • Thank god you continued. Never understood why you were "cancelled". I mean you explained it pretty well. But still don't understand why the hell that happened.

    Calvin PobleteCalvin Poblete11 күн мурун
  • This artistic mermaid animation where is it from

    Crimsonite20Crimsonite2012 күн мурун
  • When you said Hans Christian Anderson was A romantic, I got confused for like a minute and backed up like 3 times before I realize you didn’t mean aromantic

    Aaron HicksAaron Hicks12 күн мурун
  • This video was great, I really enjoyed it. Aside from that I have a question, what did the Kickassia hotel room smell like?

    humanhuman12 күн мурун
  • mano do céuuuuuuuuuu ela usou um meme da sandra kkk alguem me belisca

    Manuela PortoManuela Porto12 күн мурун
  • I'm from Rio and thanks for making me feel special

    Manuela PortoManuela Porto12 күн мурун
  • We miss you, Lindsey. Your insight is nutritious for our minds.

    Aaron HollingsworthAaron Hollingsworth12 күн мурун
  • Nice 👍👍👍👍👍🌻🌻🌻🌻🤝

    ايمان السويسيايمان السويسي12 күн мурун
  • I'm a father of a one year old girl and because of her I'm even more grateful than before to women like Lindsay, I feel you are making the world better for everyone but especially girls by challenging us to think how femininity is observed in our society and tales. Thank you.

    ElComancheroElComanchero12 күн мурун
  • It also should be mentioned that Buzzfeed was riding high at the time with listicles leveled largely at left leaning ladies, and it simply boiled down to which cartoon character are you most jealous of?

    RemedyRemedy12 күн мурун
  • video on netflix's She-Ra?? or Castlevania or the new He-man???

    Generic userGeneric user12 күн мурун
  • i recomende read the tale of oscar wilde The Fisherman & His Soul where the fisherman sacrifice his soul for be with the siren i like to think that is a responce for the tale of anderson but the siren and the fisherman live happy and die together

    Andrea SolanoAndrea Solano13 күн мурун
  • This "feminism" is really just misogyny in disguise. Imagine if a civil rights journalist wrote one day "The reason black people can't get ahead in this country is because they be saggin their pants and wanna become rappers." They would be ousted as a CIA plant in an instant.

    BurgerFred1BurgerFred113 күн мурун
  • I love how Frozen thought it was being soooo radical with "lol falling in love with the first guy you've ever met after one day is dumb", only to replace it with "falling in love with the SECOND guy you've ever met after a COUPLE of days is totally fine" They couldn't have just stayed friends, nope.

    conn barryconn barry13 күн мурун
  • Oh, hi to me at 6:25, LOL.

    Lindsey ParisLindsey Paris13 күн мурун
  • Glad to see you're back, Lindsay. Missed your miserably angry self. You just make being sick of sh*t so damned charming.

    Lost Scrolls SketchbookLost Scrolls Sketchbook13 күн мурун
  • You ok?

    RoseRose13 күн мурун
  • Wait it has Persians? I heard that right? I guess my lazy Iranian ass gotta order this quick :P

    PardisPardis14 күн мурун
  • Re: 3 days, it's a callback to the revival of fairy tales by Romanticism, into which the retellings injected more Christianity, and thus the number 3 for it's obvious references to the Holy Trinity. Romanticism was also responsible for the original ending of The Little Mermaid, which punishes the mermaid for wanting something unnatural (a soul, which mermaids do not have). If you read the Grimm Brothers you will feel the "stay in your place" even more strongly, but that's why the OG story has to end in her death and contractual obligation to God. And thus you'll see things tried in threes in the original stories, like in Snow White where the queen tries to kill her with three different items, or Hansel and Gretel when the stepmother tries to ditch them three times.

    chishionotenshichishionotenshi14 күн мурун
  • I think the use of "Wusses" was the exact reason that accent choice was perfect

    Bob HoskinsBob Hoskins14 күн мурун
  • I'm engaging for the algorithm gods.

    Elisha EElisha E14 күн мурун
  • I went into this thinking how sexist The Little Mermaid was. I came out close to tears remembering, as a kid, I related to her more than any of the male characters in any other Disney film.

    Glitch WalkerGlitch Walker14 күн мурун
  • This helped me see things from a very different point of view. I'd never considered that 101 Dalmatians had a Disney Princess

    Glitch WalkerGlitch Walker14 күн мурун
  • I’m glad you’re finally addressing this is just hope you also addressed how you got into this too with your first video on the little mermaid.

    Monsieur SpazticMonsieur Spaztic14 күн мурун
  • Snow white was incredible.. she always worked hard, had hope and faith this made her beautiful. The prince wasn't much of a thought... She rarely mentioned him. I love snow white because she had strength... Its a very simple beautiful formula that had a very simplistic happy ending. A woman suffered and worked hard and had a fairytale ending.... This was metaphorical and beautiful...She is one of the strongest princesses. The prince didn't save her she achieved her goals by working hard and pushing forward.

    Tina BelcherTina Belcher14 күн мурун
    • @NCR Patriot snow white came out after the world war, people needed to see snow white ride off into the sunset at that time. The world was full of depression and Americans needed hope. I feel the prince was irrelevant but the simplicity was beautiful. We all know grumpy might have been the true interest.

      Tina BelcherTina Belcher8 күн мурун
    • Snow White I think is the only princess who was bogged down by the prince trope. I get it that she was the first movie like that and it was the 1930s but in hindsight the movie didn't need a prince at all. He literally comes out of nowhere at the end and wasnt really established. It really just should've been the dwarfs who revive her because they actually loved her

      NCR PatriotNCR Patriot11 күн мурун
  • would you ever talk about the fREAKING MULAN REMAKE? i hate it. i hate it. they literally completely changed the plot in a horrible way, and they completely changed what it was based on??? which is kinda pissy.

    EverestEverest14 күн мурун
  • (Slow clap) AL brought me here. It's crazy never hearing about someone with a million subs. Enjoyed the commentary.

    cdcroccdcroc14 күн мурун